tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post4792400196496292048..comments2024-03-17T03:51:46.681-04:00Comments on Hardcore Gaming 101 - Blog: The Case of Wikipedia v. Kinuyo YamashitaDiscoalucardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04206257399887664488noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-34700539692158476312011-07-21T21:11:41.214-04:002011-07-21T21:11:41.214-04:00yayyy! guys her page is back up now! :Dyayyy! guys her page is back up now! :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-67225519223730420872010-12-23T02:05:50.697-05:002010-12-23T02:05:50.697-05:00I've first heard of Kinuyo Yamashita a while a...I've first heard of Kinuyo Yamashita a while ago when I found out that she was the composer of the totally awesome music in Telefang (an underrated game which had two very infamous bootlegs known as Pokémon Diamond and Jade), so as such I best know her for that. I also soon learned that she composed the music for Castlevania, and played the game primarily to hear the music. Oh boy, was it awesome.<br /><br />So anyway, I noticed that Yamashita at one point had an article on Wikipedia, but totally freaked out when I found out that it was removed. Seriously, what the heck? Do people have any grasp of notability whatsoever? It's so freaking subjective and biased. So just because a couple of people never heard of her, means there shouldn't be an article about her on Wikipedia? Yeah that's smart, just remove relevant information to improve a wiki.<br /><br />I seriously hate Wikipedia now. What the hell are people smoking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-15697641525614626002010-07-30T16:11:50.100-04:002010-07-30T16:11:50.100-04:00I've gone and done what Wikipedia refuses to -...I've gone and done what Wikipedia refuses to - here's proper online hub for information and the music of Kinuyo Yamashita:<br /><br />http://lvls.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/tunage-kinuyo-yamashita/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-56553370930798954192010-06-29T23:13:45.348-04:002010-06-29T23:13:45.348-04:00They deleted my page on Tokuhiko Uwabo, too. Also ...They deleted my page on Tokuhiko Uwabo, too. Also I did one on Takahito Abe ("Susano o Densetsu") which they took down.stalepienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-47353614097322676532010-03-26T17:57:05.237-04:002010-03-26T17:57:05.237-04:00I'm still incredulous that people even bother ...I'm still incredulous that people even bother with Wikipedia anymore. 95-99% of the content is so poorly written as to be basically unreadable, and from an organizational standpoint it's a disaster. Sure, it's a handy resource, but when an entire encyclopedia is written by committee... well, it shows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-92021170734747869932010-03-15T18:24:37.909-04:002010-03-15T18:24:37.909-04:00If you're pissed about Wikipedia just go edit ...If you're pissed about Wikipedia just go edit tvtropes.org because they don't have a notability clause.Full Infinity Flamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11620499500613863262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-78670476900177456342010-03-03T18:22:14.616-05:002010-03-03T18:22:14.616-05:00Unfortunately, it's been taken back down again...Unfortunately, it's been taken back down again. She deserves a page! I don't understand the stupid "notability" clause Wiki editors are citing as reasons to take it down. Hopefully, it'll once again be reinstated in the near future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-72587238471772707842010-03-02T14:15:28.988-05:002010-03-02T14:15:28.988-05:00I just saw this yesterday and was quite pleased. I...I just saw this yesterday and was quite pleased. If you look at the history you can see some other admin decided to unlock and repost it. Good to know there's some balance deep within that bureaucracy.Discoalucardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206257399887664488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-57329477191694101262010-03-02T13:43:03.166-05:002010-03-02T13:43:03.166-05:00Wiki has put her page back up! No one sullies up J...Wiki has put her page back up! No one sullies up James Banana and gets away with it! Nobody!Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-89780132857648669342010-02-25T13:06:27.542-05:002010-02-25T13:06:27.542-05:00@johnnyfog
As a frequent Wikipedia editor myself,...@johnnyfog<br /><br />As a frequent Wikipedia editor myself, I agree that Wikipedia can be a good source of information if the right people are in charge. It has improved in a way that its trying to discourage squatters from adding in-universe fanwankery (or as they would say "original research") to the articles and trying to explain away plot holes that are just that, plot holes.<br /><br />However, I hate how "third party" sources are considered more reliable than "first party" ones, even though third party sources are just as guilty as being wrong on many things (especially when it comes to the likes of Gamespot and IGN) or how a subject is not "notable" enough unless it has enough third party citations. I had an edit war with another user at some point for clarifying that Metal Gear 1 was an MSX2 game because the cited article only said it was an "MSX game", even though the game's packaging clearly specifies MSX2. For them, if something isn't on the internet, it doesn't exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-3439342458520502702010-02-24T06:34:45.102-05:002010-02-24T06:34:45.102-05:00I think it was a given that Tokuro Fujiwara design...I think it was a given that Tokuro Fujiwara designed the first Rockman as far as gameplay is concerned, while Inafune is the character designer?<br /><br />Anyway these shortminded people at Wikipedia are so depressing that I think I'll boycott the site for a while. :(The Gamblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10213853365425170013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-75072961421744425672010-02-23T15:52:26.316-05:002010-02-23T15:52:26.316-05:00She's in New Jersey! You should go and intervi...She's in New Jersey! You should go and interview her or something...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-49422391319563634962010-02-22T17:02:53.236-05:002010-02-22T17:02:53.236-05:00I like the way information is organized in the wik...I like the way information is organized in the wiki format, but giving anonymous idiots the ability to shoot down people who actually know what they're talking about destroys any real utility the main Wikipedia site might have. A major advantage of the web is that we can build and maintain accessible bases for our knowledge; we pool our information and collectively reap its benefits. Why would we sacrifice that benefit for the sake of enabling fantasies of power and authority among a few ignorant or emotionally disturbed users? The technology we have now has amazing potential, but it's worthless if we don't get our priorities straight.<br /><br />I don't see a fix for Wikipedia's problems any time soon. Anyone working in a field of specialized research would be better off maintaining their own site.jcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-36184965950934919232010-02-22T16:43:59.187-05:002010-02-22T16:43:59.187-05:00Wow, I had no idea she did the music for Mega Man ...Wow, I had no idea she did the music for Mega Man X3! That game (the SNES version) has one of my favorite soundtracks of all time <3<br /><br />Anyways, Wikipedia is stupid. If I'm just searching for anything in general that they happen to have info for (with actually good sources), then cool, but when they do idiotic things like this, it just makes it so hard to take them seriously. It's absolutely absurd that they consider third-party sources more reliable than first-party sources in a case like this.X-pert74noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-9393248737114847592010-02-22T10:26:26.196-05:002010-02-22T10:26:26.196-05:00F*ck Wikipedia and their "standards", ma...F*ck Wikipedia and their "standards", maybe one day people will wise up and NOT donate, then we'll see less drama and more quality.<br /><br />As for Ms. Yamashita, what an amazing woman! Her music for CV is just some of the greatest music composed for any medium ever. I never knew about her brain hemorrhage, I'm glad she recovered!<br /><br />Also interesting, from her BIO:<br />"Yamashita started playing the piano at the age of four, taking lessons once per week. She learned the classical piano, where she played Chopin and Beethoven. As a child, her parents didn't listen to music, so she didn't have any musical influences."<br /><br />To jump from classical music to "Vampire Killer"? That's INCREDIBLE! She is definitely an important part of videogame history, and I'm glad places like HG101 exist so that even if the "higher cultured" individuals of Wikipedia deny her notability, HG101 will ensure that her legacy is preserved with dignity and honor as it should be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-14524632756838424592010-02-22T10:09:34.714-05:002010-02-22T10:09:34.714-05:00The article is currently locked so it can't be...The article is currently locked so it can't be edited or reposted. Apparently a few people already tried to reverse it and the admins got sick of it, although there's still at least one request to unlock and re-establish it. <br /><br />Wikipedia definitely needs editors in places, but this is not that place.Discoalucardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206257399887664488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-31314741425258403692010-02-22T07:01:00.053-05:002010-02-22T07:01:00.053-05:00I actually researched and wrote a magazine article...I actually researched and wrote a magazine article on the history of fan translations purely because Wikipedia deleted the massive entry on it - which is a shame, because it's a fascinating subject. ROMhackingdotnet proved most helpful with providing direct information.Sketczhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02333200178515493705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-31900957254401451762010-02-22T06:43:43.946-05:002010-02-22T06:43:43.946-05:00Just do an article about her. Wikipedia also accep...Just do an article about her. Wikipedia also accepted your Heaven and Earth Trilogy article as viable source, proofing that Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma and The Granstream Saga are in fact a series.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-88488623752081844732010-02-21T23:05:06.680-05:002010-02-21T23:05:06.680-05:00The Wikipedia Gentry strikes again...
Wouldn'...The Wikipedia Gentry strikes again...<br /><br />Wouldn't it be funny if you posted an article in Wikipedia and it got deleted for lack of "reliable third party sources", but in the meantime a magazine ripped off the article for a story, and you could reupload it with them as a "reliable third party source"?derboonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-78875267951615704582010-02-21T22:50:49.529-05:002010-02-21T22:50:49.529-05:00Anoymous is being alarmist.
There is solid info o...Anoymous is being alarmist.<br /><br />There is solid info on games all over wikipedia. It's the older games, the ones that are harder to dig up third party sources for, that fall into disarray. And to be fair, the articles have their share of fanwankery, so the new regime is a neccessary evil. <br /><br />Luckily, wikia has drawn away a lot of the squatters, the ones who revert all edits. So the contributors that are left aren't interested in padding out "list of Silent Hill monsters".johnnyfognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-81569411795507089652010-02-21T20:24:41.700-05:002010-02-21T20:24:41.700-05:00Currently Wikipedia aims to delete almost anything...Currently Wikipedia aims to delete almost anything related to popular culture and branch like videogames. They want to be serious and respected and they destroyed years of contributions in recent times. Honestly it's almost useless to contribute to wikipedia on arguments like that, while independent sites or dedicated wikis are a better place to put research and info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-29735953035665218702010-02-21T19:01:08.592-05:002010-02-21T19:01:08.592-05:00This is one of the reasons why I detest Wikipedia ...This is one of the reasons why I detest Wikipedia so much. They've deleted a lot of good articles in the past for the same reasons. If the subject isn't that well known or there aren't that many online pages on it, as in this case according to the editors, all the more reason to keep the page for when people are looking up information.<br /><br />And don't get me started on the errors and mistakes which feature in Wiki articles which, when I've tried to correct them in the past, have had them reverted on the grounds of vandalism.<br /><br />Like I said, I hate Wikipedia.Sketczhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02333200178515493705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-62113437811934016982010-02-21T17:31:48.686-05:002010-02-21T17:31:48.686-05:00I didn't mean to chastise magazines and other ...I didn't mean to chastise magazines and other sites from utilizing your articles and posts, but used it to illustrate how the same information recycled through various sources suddenly can become "credible" in the eyes of Wikipedia editors. Say you posted an interview with Ms. Yamashita on your site. This would apparently be an insufficient source for Wikipedia. However, if some enterprising journalist at, say, "GQ" decides to do a piece on the evolution of game music and uses your interview with Yamashita for a section on the early days, the info now carries more weight. I just find it arbitrary in the extreme. I completely agree with you and commend your efforts to increase the awareness of classic, obscure, and cult games, as well as the often-neglected crews that developed them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03607925838897584523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-75760000507758539712010-02-21T16:51:57.657-05:002010-02-21T16:51:57.657-05:00Yup, there's a Japanese wiki article here:
htt...Yup, there's a Japanese wiki article here:<br /><a href="http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B1%B1%E4%B8%8B%E7%B5%B9%E4%BB%A3" rel="nofollow">http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B1%B1%E4%B8%8B%E7%B5%B9%E4%BB%A3</a> I don't think anyone can jump into the "deleted page" discussion though, and it's locked at the moment so it can't be re-added.<br /><br />I don't mind magazines or whatever using info from HG101 or anywhere else - the whole reason why it exists is to spread this information, so that's mostly the point. The hoops some of this goes through for Wikipedia to deem is "credible", though, is suspect.Discoalucardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04206257399887664488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1135815543912646655.post-47933846173497985492010-02-21T16:45:14.766-05:002010-02-21T16:45:14.766-05:00Wikipedia may be more useful than HG101 but HG101 ...Wikipedia may be more useful than HG101 but HG101 is a lot more interesting. Retro gaming essentially requires subjective examination because of the nostalgy and general love for the subject.<br /><br />The thing with deleting fine articles on Wikipedia has more to do with the ego of some editors than actual concern for quality. That, and bias issues which keeps some pretty useless and generally poor articles alive (better be a spergy furry if you want your articles stay alive). <br /><br />Luckily, nobody forbids someone publish the same deleted articles on some shadow Wikipedia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com